AM: The rules are simple. Each individiual will be encouraged to present their side of a particular topic. Reasoned debate is sought, not personal attacks. If anyone deviates significantly from the primary topic, the Moderator may step in and stop that line of argument.
Now, to open the floor: what is everyone's position on stem cell research?
BENNY: I'm in favor of stem cell research.
G.: I'm in favor of stem cell research, too.
TED: Same here.
ELLEN: No problem. More stem cell research.
AM: Okay, it sounds like there's pretty solid agreement all across the board. So, what's the debate?
ELLEN: I'm against _embryonic_ stem cell reseach. All the other types of stem cell research... adult, cord blood, amniotic sac stem cells... I'm in favor of all of them.
BENNY: So, you are willing to toss away a potentially valuable avenue of medical research, why? Because you consider a tiny clump of cells which hasn't even developed any organs yet to be a human being?
ELLEN: I consider it human life, yes. Not necessarily a human being, but human life.
BENNY: What about a skin graft? That's human cells, still alive. Should they be preserved too? Are you against all experimentation on living cell tissue, because it's got some sacred aspect to it?
G.: Why do you say it's human life? Until it can live on its own, it's basically parasitic. It might develop into human life, but it's really just a stage between a chunk of matter and a person. I think it's wrong to grant it the same rights as a person.
ELLEN: It isn't wrong! It will develop into a person if it's nurtured and cared for properly... and that's the difference between an embryo and a skin graft, Benny.
G.: And you'd consider the rights of that potential person above the possible huge health benefits to everyone? Do you support putting people in jail?
ELLEN: What does that have to do with anything?
G.: If you're in favor of incarceration, you're basically saying that there are instances where an individual's rights can be abridged to help the greater good. Well, that's all that's being done here, except that the "individual" isn't even a human being yet.
ELLEN: Fine, then bring back my Grandfather.
G.: What?
ELLEN: If you're going to equate the abridgment of rights, fine. If someone reforms, they can get out of jail. Or if evidence rises to prove they were innocent. My Grandfather is dead. Explain to me how you can reverse that abridgement of rights in an equal way. If you can't, your analogy doesn't hold.
G.: But it isn't about the reversal of a position, it's about the position now. One vs. the many.
TED: Bull.
BENNY: What's bull?
TED: It's not about one vs. the many. It's a polticial and money scam.
BENNY: What, you don't think it could help medical research? You know better than thousands of doctors and researchers, worldwide?
TED: Ellen is right, I just don't agree with her reasons.
G.: Then what are your reasons?
TED: Show me the success.
BENNY: It has to be funded to have success!
ELLEN: Besides, they've recently found an alternate way of getting stem cells from the surrounding tissue without actually harming the embryo, and those cells contain almost all of the abilities of embryonic stem cells.
HANK: Ellen, "almost all" isn't the same as "all." Benny, it has been funded! It's been funded for over a decade, with absolutely no positive results. In the same amount of time people have been working with embryonic stem cells, they've been working with other forms of stem cells, as well. Dozens of diseases have been cured. So far, no success has come from embryonic stem cell research.
BENNY: That's because there's not as much money going toward embryonic research, and not enough available lines.
TED: No. There's been plenty of money, just not money from the US government. Dozens of private research groups, companies and universities, have poured millions of dollars into embryonic research. Governments outside the US have given more money. And the best they've seen has been the development of tumors both benign and malignant in the test subjects. I say, if we're going to spend the money, spend it on things that work.
BENNY: Okay, fine, some of the other stem cell cures work... but only for specific individuals. The hope of embryonic stem cells above all others is that they won't be specific to the individual who provided them, that instead they can be administered to all. That will vastly decrease the eventual costs of the cures.
TED: Couldn't the same be done with existing cures, with modifications?
BENNY: No! Look at blood; some people can accept certain types, some others. There are some universal donors and some universal receptors, but still, not everyone can handle every blood.
TED: What about synthetic blood? Isn't it true we've developed synthetic bloods which can substitute for normal blood in certain quantities?
BENNY: But, again, you're looking at cost, and time. It took decades to develop that stuff and it's incredibly expensive. With embryonic stem cells, you wouldn't have to spend all that time and effort.
TED: Okay, fine, but it can still be done. Let the private sector handle it. In the private sector, if something isn't working, and it starts to override the eventual value, they'll shift the money into other research... which is just what's happened. So, instead of dropping all this money pursuing more and bigger tumors, they've shifted to other stem cells and they've actually cure the diseases. Isn't that what this is about, curing sick people?
BENNY: But the government is the only group with the amount of money needed to pursue embryonic properly, because obviously it's had more setbacks than other types.
TED: That's because it hasn't worked!
AM: Okay, wrap time. You've each had a little while. Why don't you summarize your positions? Five sentences or less.
ELLEN: Human life is precious and distinct. I believe in holding human life as special. Religious or not, it is one of the foundations of human morality. Whenever the value of life is diluted, whether through abortion, the death penalty, assisted suicide, or anything else, what we're saying is that individual judgments should trump the inherent value of life. Beyond the morality, I think that also undermines one of the "three unalienable Rights" around which the US government was founded.
G.: Another one of the "three unalienable Rights" is Liberty, and that includes the liberty to live as one wishes, without being subjected to the demands of another. When people like Ellen push their agenda, it holds a significant danger of, by legal extrapolation, undermining the ability of women to have abortions. I would contend that until a being is capable of surviving on its own, independent of a physical host, it should not be accorded the same rights as other members of its species. That especially holds true when the being in question does not even share the same characteristics which identify humanity as being unique: our brains, organs, and systems.
BENNY: Without governments supplying money for embryonic stem cell research, there is little chance that private companies will pursue that avenue of research over more profitable stem cell formats. While it is true that embryonic stem cell research has, to date, been a nearly complete failure, that is not necessarily an indication it will continue to be so in the future. If it is successful, the rewards which will be reaped will be immense. Just as with the lottery, you have to be in it to win it.
TED: This is just another rathole down which to send tax dollars; the money goes out to researchers who push the political ideology of the people sending them cash, and results are never expected. Meanwhile, the politicians get the chance to talk about how much they care, while relying on the fact that most people don't realize just how low the odds are, compared to other forms of stem cell research, for success. But because there's already hundreds of millions of dollars of private money being spent on successful treatments, there's no need for government money there, so politicians can't buy the votes. And that's all this is: politicians buying the votes of the idealistic, the ignorant, and the desperate by dipping into the pockets of the average taxpayer and sending the cash to their friends and cronies.